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Fight! Fight! Fight!

Okay…not really.  But I want to be ready in case I have a donnybrook this year.  You know…preparation for the worst and all that.

Rulebook and casebook aren’t working for me for the following two questions, so I thought I’d turn to my smart friends here.


A1 and B1 go at it, and B2 (player on the court) jumps in and takes a swing.  As I heroically attempt to end the fight, coaches are beckoned onto the court, but A6, A7, and A8, bench players, come onto the court to cheer on their fighting teammates.

THE PART I KNOW:  All six of those players are tossed.  Gone.  Buh-bye.

THE PART I CAN’T FIGURE OUT:  Free throws?  If the three A bench players hadn’t run onto the floor, A would shoot two technical free throws because of the difference in the number of fouls.  But those bench players DID run onto the floor.  Once my partners and I sort out that fact, do we then shoot ZERO  free throws, since we’d count those bench players as one event (thus making the Technicals a 2-2 even split?)  Or do we count them individually?  Would we then give team B FOUR technical free throws?

SITCH B:  Exactly the same as above, except an assistant coach (or head coach…it doesn’t really matter) for B runs onto the floor.  I know he/she would also be tossed, but would it factor into the free throws?

I do know that, if we shoot Ts, the shooting team would in-bound the ball, and if we don’t, it’d be a point-of-interruption deal.  But what I can’t figure out is who shoots, and how many.

If y’all could help me, especially with a rule or casebook cite, I’d be much obliged.

Player lying on the floor.

Had a big disagreement with my partners (all five of them!) before today’s game.  Wondering what y’all think about this situation.  It happened once last year, and I really felt like I have it right…but let’s see what y’all think (and if you have rule/casebook plays to back you, ’cause I can’t find any).

It all started with this question in this month’s Referee Magazine:

A1 and B2 go for a rebound.  In the attempt to garner the ball, B2 falls to the floor behind A1’s legs.  A1 grabs the ball while upright, then trips over teh fallen B2 while holding the ball.  A1 then lands on the court while holding the ball.  Is that a traveling violation by A1 or is it a blocking foul on B2?  RULING:  B2 is considered to have established legal guarding position  even though being prone on the floor.  Unless B2 makes an effort to trip or block A1, it’s simply a seemingly unfair (and probably very unpopular) traveling violation on A1 for falling to the floor while holding the ball (NFHS 4-44).

OK.  4-44 is the travel rule, so that’s not a helpful reference.  And I don’t see how the Legal Guarding Position applies here at all on this rebound.  When one looks at the LGP rule in 4-23, the player here did NOT gain LGP.

However, in this thread , (which MassRef called my attention to last year), some officials suggest that legal guarding position only applies to whether the player is allowed to move backward or obliquely.  This player didn’t move.  Case in point:  if a player is standing with his back to a ballhandler, and remained stationery, could the ballhandler run up their back and crash into them?  No.  That’s a foul on the offense even in the absence of LGP.  If a ballhandler pivoted and tripped over the stationery player with his back to him (not LGP) and fell to the floor, would we call them for a block?  Nope.  That’s a stone-cold travel.

So why is a player on the floor any different?

I don’t know the answer to this question, and neither the rulebook nor the casebook is helpful.  But I’m bothered that the Referee Magazine question says the player gained LGP, when the rulebook clearly says this isn’t the case.

What’s your take?

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A philosophical dilemma

I’ve got my first three weeks’ worth of games scheduled.  Looks like I’m doing almost exactly what I did last year:  crew chief in girls’ games.  I’ve got 14 games.  13 are girls’ games.  8 are varsity of varying stripes, 5 are JV (all attached to girls’ varsity games) and one is a boys’ JV (attached to a girls’ JV game).  I’m crew chief for all of them except one doubleheader.

This is a good sign: I’m exactly where I was last year, which ended with the playoffs, so I’ll take that.  But I got some feedback at camp that indicated my evaluator felt my growth was stunted and I need to be ready to step up to bigger (read: boys) games.

There’s a contradiction at work here.

On the one hand, it’s good to be hungry, to want to do better games, to step up.
On the other hand, we’re told, time and time again, that ALL games are big games, and that if we’re not stepping up each night, we’re doing the game a disservice.  Not just that night’s game, either, but the game of basketball in general.

My own personality is more in tune with the second philosophy.  JV game at a dinky school?  Sure.  I’ll take it.  And I’ll enjoy it.

Now, don’t get me wrong.  I was incredibly proud to do the playoff games I was finally assigned last year.  And I’m proud of the work I did, save one damn call in the four games.  But–and here’s the thing–I can’t say I enjoy bigger games more than I enjoy “smaller” games.  They’re all fun and challenging in their own way.  What I liked about the playoff assignment was less the experience of doing the games (which was pretty fabulous, truth be told) than the gold-watch pat-on-the-back reality of being assigned big games.

Add to that the gender issue here.  I honest-to-goodness don’t like the testosterone crap of doing a varsity-boys’ game.  I don’t like it from the players, the coaches, or the crowd.  Now, if my assignor wants me there, I’ll step up.  And I will continue to work on and improve my game so I can be an asset on any court in any game in the county (and, it is to be hoped, the state).

But, all things (like pay) being equal, why deal with the fuss?  I mean, I’ll take pride in the game and do it well, but I’d much rather have a big girls’ game than a big boys’ one.  It’s all the intensity and less bullshit.  Plus, once I say “geez, boys’ games are so much better than girls’ games,” I feel like I’ve taken a big step towards half-assing lower games that I see.  Nothing makes me angrier than watching “elite” refs half-ass games.  Too many of them do.

Is my perspective on all of this wrong?  Does it make me a wuss?

Additionally…this might play into the idea of “leadership,” which is what I’m working on most of all this season.  But that’s a different post for a different day.

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